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		<title>By: Brian Gates</title>
		<link>http://www.thedreamlounge.net/2009/11/15/the-down-low-on-cardio-and-latest-thoughts/comment-page-1/#comment-3884</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Gates</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Dec 2009 09:08:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s interesting to note that your heart and lungs aren&#039;t sore the day after a run.</description>
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		<title>By: Dream</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dream</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 03:26:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As always, well said Drew. For the record, I do remember you mentioning what I wrote about in this post to me when we first met (hybrid machine). Wish I would have listened and applied what you said sooner =).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As always, well said Drew. For the record, I do remember you mentioning what I wrote about in this post to me when we first met (hybrid machine). Wish I would have listened and applied what you said sooner =).</p>
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		<title>By: Drew Baye</title>
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		<dc:creator>Drew Baye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 00:28:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe you are correct not to rush between exercises. Studies at McMaster University comparing sprint interval training (Four to six 30 second maximum efforts with four minutes rest in between) produced equivalent cardiovascular adaptations to 90 minutes of continuous, traditional &quot;endurance training&quot;. The metabolic effect of a multi joint exercise performed in high intensity fashion would be comparable or greater than a typical foot or cycle sprint, and other studies and a large amount of empirical evidence have shown significant metabolic/cardiovascular improvements with high intensity strength training alone.

My recommendation is to rest only long enough between sets to allow the cardiovascular system to recover enough to not limit the effort you are able to put into the next exercise. If the reader doesn&#039;t understand how a strength training exercise can have this effect, they&#039;ve never done one correctly.

Less rest and you compromise the overall intensity of each exercise. Rest too much, and you&#039;re wasting time you could be putting to better use or enjoying in the pursuit of activities outside of the gym.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe you are correct not to rush between exercises. Studies at McMaster University comparing sprint interval training (Four to six 30 second maximum efforts with four minutes rest in between) produced equivalent cardiovascular adaptations to 90 minutes of continuous, traditional &#8220;endurance training&#8221;. The metabolic effect of a multi joint exercise performed in high intensity fashion would be comparable or greater than a typical foot or cycle sprint, and other studies and a large amount of empirical evidence have shown significant metabolic/cardiovascular improvements with high intensity strength training alone.</p>
<p>My recommendation is to rest only long enough between sets to allow the cardiovascular system to recover enough to not limit the effort you are able to put into the next exercise. If the reader doesn&#8217;t understand how a strength training exercise can have this effect, they&#8217;ve never done one correctly.</p>
<p>Less rest and you compromise the overall intensity of each exercise. Rest too much, and you&#8217;re wasting time you could be putting to better use or enjoying in the pursuit of activities outside of the gym.</p>
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		<title>By: Dream</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dream</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 20:57:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Jeff

Have you seen this post?

http://www.thedreamlounge.net/2009/08/12/strength-training-superior-to-p90x-cardio-crossfit-functional-group-exercise-fitness-classes/

I discuss crossfit a bit there.

The short version: crossfit does not fit into my model of &quot;proper exercise&quot;, which is universal to everyone. The principles I&#039;ve seen are not safe, promote long term overuse injuries, are too frequent, and not intense enough to produce best results.

While Crossfit may be a step above &quot;cardio&quot; and &quot;aerobics&quot;, it is not optimal for anyone to be practicing, and in my eyes, is not &quot;exercise&quot; to begin with (it is a collection of physical activities mistaken as exercise).

The &quot;athletic achievements&quot; I&#039;ve seen are impressive as well, but do not correlate to &quot;exercise&quot;, the same way sports like football are not &quot;exercise&quot;. Better, safer, results can be had in less time by simple, hard, and progressive strength training. If one wants &quot;functional&quot; improvements, that person needs to specifically practice what they want a high functional ability in. If you are a cop, and want to have a good sprinting ability- you need to practice sprinting (a skill), and support it with proper strength training- not do all sorts of random activities in hopes that they mystically transfer over to a better sprinting ability.

A bit harsh =), but I hope this answers your question. Thanks for commenting

-Anthony</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Jeff</p>
<p>Have you seen this post?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.thedreamlounge.net/2009/08/12/strength-training-superior-to-p90x-cardio-crossfit-functional-group-exercise-fitness-classes/" rel="nofollow">http://www.thedreamlounge.net/2009/08/12/strength-training-superior-to-p90x-cardio-crossfit-functional-group-exercise-fitness-classes/</a></p>
<p>I discuss crossfit a bit there.</p>
<p>The short version: crossfit does not fit into my model of &#8220;proper exercise&#8221;, which is universal to everyone. The principles I&#8217;ve seen are not safe, promote long term overuse injuries, are too frequent, and not intense enough to produce best results.</p>
<p>While Crossfit may be a step above &#8220;cardio&#8221; and &#8220;aerobics&#8221;, it is not optimal for anyone to be practicing, and in my eyes, is not &#8220;exercise&#8221; to begin with (it is a collection of physical activities mistaken as exercise).</p>
<p>The &#8220;athletic achievements&#8221; I&#8217;ve seen are impressive as well, but do not correlate to &#8220;exercise&#8221;, the same way sports like football are not &#8220;exercise&#8221;. Better, safer, results can be had in less time by simple, hard, and progressive strength training. If one wants &#8220;functional&#8221; improvements, that person needs to specifically practice what they want a high functional ability in. If you are a cop, and want to have a good sprinting ability- you need to practice sprinting (a skill), and support it with proper strength training- not do all sorts of random activities in hopes that they mystically transfer over to a better sprinting ability.</p>
<p>A bit harsh =), but I hope this answers your question. Thanks for commenting</p>
<p>-Anthony</p>
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		<title>By: Jeffrey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeffrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 23:11:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good read Anthony! 

Since this is a better way of contacting you than email, I&#039;m writing you here.

You&#039;ve covered in depth your thoughts about the P90X approach, but I was wondering if you could perhaps address your thoughts on the other hot workout trend, Crossfit.

The athletic achievements I&#039;ve seen from Crossfit seem pretty staggering and it seems to be working for a lot of people, providing them with functional fitness through powerlifting and gymnastics exercises (you&#039;re probably already familiar with it).

Anyways, would love your thoughts and insight on this style of exercise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good read Anthony! </p>
<p>Since this is a better way of contacting you than email, I&#8217;m writing you here.</p>
<p>You&#8217;ve covered in depth your thoughts about the P90X approach, but I was wondering if you could perhaps address your thoughts on the other hot workout trend, Crossfit.</p>
<p>The athletic achievements I&#8217;ve seen from Crossfit seem pretty staggering and it seems to be working for a lot of people, providing them with functional fitness through powerlifting and gymnastics exercises (you&#8217;re probably already familiar with it).</p>
<p>Anyways, would love your thoughts and insight on this style of exercise.</p>
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		<title>By: Dream</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dream</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 20:07:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@TomTom

&quot;Too many contradictions in your assertion that “cardio” is unhealthy. &quot;

Admittedly, this was not the most well thought out post - I had ideas I wanted to share about new developments, but worried many people would not be up to speed on what was already in my head about &quot;cardio&quot;, so the beginning of this post was more of a quick primer than anything.

See my 2009 21 Convention speech for a better articulation of my ideas.

&quot;The walking, jogging for hours is most likely what we evolved to do. This is healthy – it has to be. OR, at least, it is most likely in our evolutionary repertoire. This is also called “cardio”. Most people, imo, quit before they should because, yes, it’s hard to jog and walk for hours at a time. Easier to denigrate it than to do it.&quot;

I know how it seems...and I know how you feel with your current knowledge (I too once drew the same conclusions), but I have to strongly disagree. 

We never &quot;jogged&quot; (continuously) for hours - not on a grand scale anyway. Modern tribes generally DO NOT do this, and it would make very little sense for ancient man to do so. To go even further, &quot;aerobic metabolism&quot; is a relatively new development in our evolution. The mitochondria involved were actually bacteria that found their way into our cells, and made permanent residence. Anaerobic metabolism is far more ancient, because it has always been a necessity. In short, aerobic was more of a random mutation than anything from my understanding - a random mutation that has destroyed millions of knees and hips over the past few decades with the stupidity that is the &quot;aerobics&quot; movement, which has now evolved into the &quot;cardio&quot; movement. 

The rest of your comment I either don&#039;t follow or have little to say (not a fan of Crossfit though, although, it&#039;s better than &quot;aerobics&quot;, but still not &quot;good&quot;).

thanks for commenting (if any of this came off offensive or patronizing I apologize as that was not my intention)

-Anthony</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@TomTom</p>
<p>&#8220;Too many contradictions in your assertion that “cardio” is unhealthy. &#8221;</p>
<p>Admittedly, this was not the most well thought out post &#8211; I had ideas I wanted to share about new developments, but worried many people would not be up to speed on what was already in my head about &#8220;cardio&#8221;, so the beginning of this post was more of a quick primer than anything.</p>
<p>See my 2009 21 Convention speech for a better articulation of my ideas.</p>
<p>&#8220;The walking, jogging for hours is most likely what we evolved to do. This is healthy – it has to be. OR, at least, it is most likely in our evolutionary repertoire. This is also called “cardio”. Most people, imo, quit before they should because, yes, it’s hard to jog and walk for hours at a time. Easier to denigrate it than to do it.&#8221;</p>
<p>I know how it seems&#8230;and I know how you feel with your current knowledge (I too once drew the same conclusions), but I have to strongly disagree. </p>
<p>We never &#8220;jogged&#8221; (continuously) for hours &#8211; not on a grand scale anyway. Modern tribes generally DO NOT do this, and it would make very little sense for ancient man to do so. To go even further, &#8220;aerobic metabolism&#8221; is a relatively new development in our evolution. The mitochondria involved were actually bacteria that found their way into our cells, and made permanent residence. Anaerobic metabolism is far more ancient, because it has always been a necessity. In short, aerobic was more of a random mutation than anything from my understanding &#8211; a random mutation that has destroyed millions of knees and hips over the past few decades with the stupidity that is the &#8220;aerobics&#8221; movement, which has now evolved into the &#8220;cardio&#8221; movement. </p>
<p>The rest of your comment I either don&#8217;t follow or have little to say (not a fan of Crossfit though, although, it&#8217;s better than &#8220;aerobics&#8221;, but still not &#8220;good&#8221;).</p>
<p>thanks for commenting (if any of this came off offensive or patronizing I apologize as that was not my intention)</p>
<p>-Anthony</p>
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		<title>By: Dream</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dream</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 19:49:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Simon

Try turning...

&quot;Lately, things in my environment have been a bit rocky for me, no need to get into details, but I can see myself, when things bounce back, getting more energy.&quot;

into...

&quot;My environment has been rocky lately. I choose to no longer be a product of my environment - it will be a product of me, of MY choices, and my courage. When I make this decision, things will &quot;bounce back&quot;, because I demanded they would, and didn&#039;t wait for it to happen.&quot;

=)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Simon</p>
<p>Try turning&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;Lately, things in my environment have been a bit rocky for me, no need to get into details, but I can see myself, when things bounce back, getting more energy.&#8221;</p>
<p>into&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;My environment has been rocky lately. I choose to no longer be a product of my environment &#8211; it will be a product of me, of MY choices, and my courage. When I make this decision, things will &#8220;bounce back&#8221;, because I demanded they would, and didn&#8217;t wait for it to happen.&#8221;</p>
<p>=)</p>
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		<title>By: Claire</title>
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		<dc:creator>Claire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 21:03:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There was plenty of walking, and highly intense sprinting when it came to catching prey.  Only in the case of tracking game that got away, would there be any &quot;jogging.&quot;  And it would be on and off, in that case, never continuous, and never a very long distance.  As humans we may not have had the speed of a lion, but we had weapons like spears, bow and arrows, boomerangs, all which made hunting prey from a distance a little easier.  We also likely started off just scavenging, and eating insects for our meat, til we got the balls to chase it down ourselves.

And yes, our ancestors did spend time moving rocks and trees.  It&#039;s what allowed them to discover food, find shelter, and make tools.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There was plenty of walking, and highly intense sprinting when it came to catching prey.  Only in the case of tracking game that got away, would there be any &#8220;jogging.&#8221;  And it would be on and off, in that case, never continuous, and never a very long distance.  As humans we may not have had the speed of a lion, but we had weapons like spears, bow and arrows, boomerangs, all which made hunting prey from a distance a little easier.  We also likely started off just scavenging, and eating insects for our meat, til we got the balls to chase it down ourselves.</p>
<p>And yes, our ancestors did spend time moving rocks and trees.  It&#8217;s what allowed them to discover food, find shelter, and make tools.</p>
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		<title>By: tomtom</title>
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		<dc:creator>tomtom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 05:24:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Too many contradictions in your assertion that &quot;cardio&quot; is unhealthy.  Food didn&#039;t fall from the sky for our ancestors and it certainly didn&#039;t grow in orchards, right?  IF the premise is that man evolved as a meat eater / omnivore, it had to have been caught.  

The walking, jogging for hours is most likely what we evolved to do.  This is healthy - it has to be.  OR, at least, it is most likely in our evolutionary repertoire.  This is also called &quot;cardio&quot;.  Most people, imo, quit before they should because, yes, it&#039;s hard to jog and walk for hours at a time.  Easier to denigrate it than to do it.  

You say that it was too energy expensive to pursue game like the men in the video?  Fat, my man.  That is why we eat and burn fat.  It&#039;s energy intensive.  One pound of it can take me 6 hours of walking / jogging, and that&#039;s cheap.

Don&#039;t confuse the walking / jogging routine with anaerobic threshold pace racing.  THAT cannot be in our evolutionary repertoire, because at that pace, we are both not fast enough to catch our prey and too slow to outrun that which is trying to eat us.  But, it&#039;s a big step to conclude that time spent at this pace is actually &quot;unhealthy&quot;- no matter what one MRI cardiac study suggests.  It&#039;s an epidemiology study, right?  That makes it meaningless.  

Also, don&#039;t fall for the fad Crossfit stuff on the other hand.  Why on earth would our ancestors move like that?  That is high risk injury movement.  They most likely didn&#039;t spend their time moving rocks and trees, right?  They stepped over them - because they grew big brains and were smart.  

Humans are good at adapting.  We get big when we lift weights.  We get faster when we run - either in sprints, at threshold pace or over distance.  We also adapt to alcohol and heroin, nicotine, etc.  Just because we can adapt to it doesn&#039;t mean it&#039;s healthy for us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Too many contradictions in your assertion that &#8220;cardio&#8221; is unhealthy.  Food didn&#8217;t fall from the sky for our ancestors and it certainly didn&#8217;t grow in orchards, right?  IF the premise is that man evolved as a meat eater / omnivore, it had to have been caught.  </p>
<p>The walking, jogging for hours is most likely what we evolved to do.  This is healthy &#8211; it has to be.  OR, at least, it is most likely in our evolutionary repertoire.  This is also called &#8220;cardio&#8221;.  Most people, imo, quit before they should because, yes, it&#8217;s hard to jog and walk for hours at a time.  Easier to denigrate it than to do it.  </p>
<p>You say that it was too energy expensive to pursue game like the men in the video?  Fat, my man.  That is why we eat and burn fat.  It&#8217;s energy intensive.  One pound of it can take me 6 hours of walking / jogging, and that&#8217;s cheap.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t confuse the walking / jogging routine with anaerobic threshold pace racing.  THAT cannot be in our evolutionary repertoire, because at that pace, we are both not fast enough to catch our prey and too slow to outrun that which is trying to eat us.  But, it&#8217;s a big step to conclude that time spent at this pace is actually &#8220;unhealthy&#8221;- no matter what one MRI cardiac study suggests.  It&#8217;s an epidemiology study, right?  That makes it meaningless.  </p>
<p>Also, don&#8217;t fall for the fad Crossfit stuff on the other hand.  Why on earth would our ancestors move like that?  That is high risk injury movement.  They most likely didn&#8217;t spend their time moving rocks and trees, right?  They stepped over them &#8211; because they grew big brains and were smart.  </p>
<p>Humans are good at adapting.  We get big when we lift weights.  We get faster when we run &#8211; either in sprints, at threshold pace or over distance.  We also adapt to alcohol and heroin, nicotine, etc.  Just because we can adapt to it doesn&#8217;t mean it&#8217;s healthy for us.</p>
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		<title>By: simon</title>
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		<dc:creator>simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 12:22:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You got me thinking. The part of me thats been influenced by advertising all my life believes there&#039;s a miracle cure for feeling tired or lathargic, maybe its an exotic berry, or secret sleep pattern, or a specific excersise. But I&#039;m sure what is comes down is actually the &#039;doing more what you love thing&#039; and feeling excitment. Lately, things in my environment have been a bit rocky for me, no need to get into details, but I can see myself, when things bounce back, getting more energy.  

Thanks for the reply

simz</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You got me thinking. The part of me thats been influenced by advertising all my life believes there&#8217;s a miracle cure for feeling tired or lathargic, maybe its an exotic berry, or secret sleep pattern, or a specific excersise. But I&#8217;m sure what is comes down is actually the &#8216;doing more what you love thing&#8217; and feeling excitment. Lately, things in my environment have been a bit rocky for me, no need to get into details, but I can see myself, when things bounce back, getting more energy.  </p>
<p>Thanks for the reply</p>
<p>simz</p>
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