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	<title>Comments on: Continuing the Quest for Nutritional Truth in a World Gone Bonkers</title>
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		<title>By: Fat is the Regulating Nutrient for Body Composition, Not Protein &#124; The Dream Lounge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fat is the Regulating Nutrient for Body Composition, Not Protein &#124; The Dream Lounge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Sep 2010 18:51:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] written about this ad infinitum on TDL before, both here and here. Long story short, I am utterly convinced humans evolved eating animals, lots of them, and mostly [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] written about this ad infinitum on TDL before, both here and here. Long story short, I am utterly convinced humans evolved eating animals, lots of them, and mostly [...]</p>
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		<title>By: M.C.</title>
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		<dc:creator>M.C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Apr 2010 17:05:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re right on that.  Never really thought about them banning good things too.  There&#039;s just so much flawed/wrong information out there, that a government just can&#039;t be trusted with what&#039;s good/bad for us.  Nor would I want them to decide what&#039;s good or bad for me.  They&#039;d probably take away my scotch drinking, not that I drink much to begin with, but I&#039;d still want the option.

*treading carefully*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right on that.  Never really thought about them banning good things too.  There&#8217;s just so much flawed/wrong information out there, that a government just can&#8217;t be trusted with what&#8217;s good/bad for us.  Nor would I want them to decide what&#8217;s good or bad for me.  They&#8217;d probably take away my scotch drinking, not that I drink much to begin with, but I&#8217;d still want the option.</p>
<p>*treading carefully*</p>
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		<title>By: Dream</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dream</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Apr 2010 00:05:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why would the government ban cigarettes? Why should they have anything to do with what you choose to do with or put into your body? I&#039;m as anti-smoking as the next person, but I am far more in favor of not granting federal or state governments the power to &#039;ban&#039; smoking all together and decide (morally undermine) what YOU do with YOUR life and YOUR body.

Think about it - by the logic you presented the government could control what food we decide to eat... as they have currently tried to do in the UK with the proposed &#039;butter ban&#039;.

What if the US government decided to ban or limit your intake of saturated fat because it was &#039;bad&#039; for you?

Tread carefully with good intentions MC, unintended consequences run amok more often than not without a strong sense of right and wrong fueling the decision.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why would the government ban cigarettes? Why should they have anything to do with what you choose to do with or put into your body? I&#8217;m as anti-smoking as the next person, but I am far more in favor of not granting federal or state governments the power to &#8216;ban&#8217; smoking all together and decide (morally undermine) what YOU do with YOUR life and YOUR body.</p>
<p>Think about it &#8211; by the logic you presented the government could control what food we decide to eat&#8230; as they have currently tried to do in the UK with the proposed &#8216;butter ban&#8217;.</p>
<p>What if the US government decided to ban or limit your intake of saturated fat because it was &#8216;bad&#8217; for you?</p>
<p>Tread carefully with good intentions MC, unintended consequences run amok more often than not without a strong sense of right and wrong fueling the decision.</p>
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		<title>By: JEFF</title>
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		<dc:creator>JEFF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Apr 2010 18:47:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James, the people DO need to be taught how to eat properly. What I meant is, there is no need for persuasion once the truth is found. Though the utterly stubborn types may still need some convincing. As well as those skeptical of a healthy lifestyle. Either way, I am willing to teach others who want to learn. (THIS IS MY FIRST CAREER GOAL.)

MC, I agree quality meats exist out there. They are just hard to find. I guess a better way to say this would be, I am looking to STOP all of the fatal ingredients being served, Especially in Public schools. Mcd&#039;s and T bell (and the like) also. (THIS IS MY SECOND CAREER GOAL.)

I will stop the industries from profiting in the wrong as well as teach others correct nutrition along the way!

And now, I want to watch this Dmitry Orlov video I&#039;ve been putting off ( =</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James, the people DO need to be taught how to eat properly. What I meant is, there is no need for persuasion once the truth is found. Though the utterly stubborn types may still need some convincing. As well as those skeptical of a healthy lifestyle. Either way, I am willing to teach others who want to learn. (THIS IS MY FIRST CAREER GOAL.)</p>
<p>MC, I agree quality meats exist out there. They are just hard to find. I guess a better way to say this would be, I am looking to STOP all of the fatal ingredients being served, Especially in Public schools. Mcd&#8217;s and T bell (and the like) also. (THIS IS MY SECOND CAREER GOAL.)</p>
<p>I will stop the industries from profiting in the wrong as well as teach others correct nutrition along the way!</p>
<p>And now, I want to watch this Dmitry Orlov video I&#8217;ve been putting off ( =</p>
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		<title>By: M.C.</title>
		<link>http://www.thedreamlounge.net/2010/03/18/continuing-the-quest-for-nutritional-truth-in-a-world-gone-bonkers/comment-page-1/#comment-6184</link>
		<dc:creator>M.C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Apr 2010 00:57:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quality meat already exists.  Restaurants aren&#039;t going to start serving it, unless the people ASK for it.  The more wild caught fish or grass fed beef is bought, the more inclined restaurants/stores are to stock up on that kind of meat.

Unless the people are convinced to buy more expensive, higher quality meat, restaurants or stores aren&#039;t going to stock it.

And the FDA aren&#039;t idiots.  They know very well the shitty food out there.  They&#039;re not going to suddenly start caring about people&#039;s health any time soon.  Unless they can make money off it, of course.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quality meat already exists.  Restaurants aren&#8217;t going to start serving it, unless the people ASK for it.  The more wild caught fish or grass fed beef is bought, the more inclined restaurants/stores are to stock up on that kind of meat.</p>
<p>Unless the people are convinced to buy more expensive, higher quality meat, restaurants or stores aren&#8217;t going to stock it.</p>
<p>And the FDA aren&#8217;t idiots.  They know very well the shitty food out there.  They&#8217;re not going to suddenly start caring about people&#8217;s health any time soon.  Unless they can make money off it, of course.</p>
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		<title>By: James Steele</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Steele</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Apr 2010 22:46:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;I don’t want to convince “the people”. There is nothing to convice!&#039;

I take back my previous comment that people always follow without question. I do so as I dont wish for it to be confused with me beliveing that thought is impossible. I have to disagree with this comment, there is a lot to convince people of. To convince is to firm belief through use of evidence. We can spend a hell of a lot of time attempting to convince people. However we can only suceed if those who we are attempting to convince make use of their rational mind. I do not in anyway accept people to choose faith. To choose faith implies acceptance of belief without reason.To continue to hold beliefs even after evidence has been presented to refute them, in my opinion is even worse. It implies unwavering faith irrespective of reality. 

Unfortunately this is what current indoctrination in all fields results in and what we, the rational thinkers have to deal with (because these people are a part of reality despite them thinking they can live outside of it). But hey you can&#039;t force a mind, it has to be consciously chosen. Still my objective value is to search for truth and so I&#039;ll follow whichever path provides me with the relevant tools to do so (i.e. grant funded PhD) however I&#039;ll always be flying the flag of my integrity high and letting &#039;the man&#039; know where he can stick it if he stands in my way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;I don’t want to convince “the people”. There is nothing to convice!&#8217;</p>
<p>I take back my previous comment that people always follow without question. I do so as I dont wish for it to be confused with me beliveing that thought is impossible. I have to disagree with this comment, there is a lot to convince people of. To convince is to firm belief through use of evidence. We can spend a hell of a lot of time attempting to convince people. However we can only suceed if those who we are attempting to convince make use of their rational mind. I do not in anyway accept people to choose faith. To choose faith implies acceptance of belief without reason.To continue to hold beliefs even after evidence has been presented to refute them, in my opinion is even worse. It implies unwavering faith irrespective of reality. </p>
<p>Unfortunately this is what current indoctrination in all fields results in and what we, the rational thinkers have to deal with (because these people are a part of reality despite them thinking they can live outside of it). But hey you can&#8217;t force a mind, it has to be consciously chosen. Still my objective value is to search for truth and so I&#8217;ll follow whichever path provides me with the relevant tools to do so (i.e. grant funded PhD) however I&#8217;ll always be flying the flag of my integrity high and letting &#8216;the man&#8217; know where he can stick it if he stands in my way.</p>
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		<title>By: JEFF</title>
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		<dc:creator>JEFF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Apr 2010 22:07:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t want to convince &quot;the people&quot;. There is nothing to convice!

I want QUALITY meat and produce in our stores / restaurants.

Looks like I&#039;ll be working for the FDA. After all, someone has to regulate ( =</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t want to convince &#8220;the people&#8221;. There is nothing to convice!</p>
<p>I want QUALITY meat and produce in our stores / restaurants.</p>
<p>Looks like I&#8217;ll be working for the FDA. After all, someone has to regulate ( =</p>
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		<title>By: M.C.</title>
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		<dc:creator>M.C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Apr 2010 20:52:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As long as you have corporations willing to do whatever it takes to make a profit, government can&#039;t really do much about it.  It&#039;s not the government that&#039;s selling the food.

Look at cigarettes.  The government knows they&#039;re bad for you, and so do people, but you still have people smoking.  The government can only put an age limit on those so you can&#039;t sell them to minors, but other then that, they&#039;re never going to ban cigarettes as long as a corporation exists that stands to make millions or billions of dollars.

The influence of corporations over the government and scientists is bigger then many might think.  The biggest difference we can make is with our food choices.  You can&#039;t convince the government cause the government stands to profit.  You can however, convince the people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As long as you have corporations willing to do whatever it takes to make a profit, government can&#8217;t really do much about it.  It&#8217;s not the government that&#8217;s selling the food.</p>
<p>Look at cigarettes.  The government knows they&#8217;re bad for you, and so do people, but you still have people smoking.  The government can only put an age limit on those so you can&#8217;t sell them to minors, but other then that, they&#8217;re never going to ban cigarettes as long as a corporation exists that stands to make millions or billions of dollars.</p>
<p>The influence of corporations over the government and scientists is bigger then many might think.  The biggest difference we can make is with our food choices.  You can&#8217;t convince the government cause the government stands to profit.  You can however, convince the people.</p>
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		<title>By: JEFF</title>
		<link>http://www.thedreamlounge.net/2010/03/18/continuing-the-quest-for-nutritional-truth-in-a-world-gone-bonkers/comment-page-1/#comment-6175</link>
		<dc:creator>JEFF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Apr 2010 18:03:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I feel like if someone doesn&#039;t stand up now, then the Food Supply will continue being f&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;d for our future generations to come.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel like if someone doesn&#8217;t stand up now, then the Food Supply will continue being f&#8221;&#8221;d for our future generations to come.</p>
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		<title>By: JEFF</title>
		<link>http://www.thedreamlounge.net/2010/03/18/continuing-the-quest-for-nutritional-truth-in-a-world-gone-bonkers/comment-page-1/#comment-6165</link>
		<dc:creator>JEFF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Apr 2010 01:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really want to be a Food scientist also, to research and uncover new useful data. I&#039;m hoping to find how safe our &quot;foods&quot; really are, reveal it to the public, and in turn have the gov&#039;t forced to change and regulate the industries (especially meat and agriculture).

I&#039;d like to hope the gov&#039;t can change. You don&#039;t think they could be influenced, to change?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really want to be a Food scientist also, to research and uncover new useful data. I&#8217;m hoping to find how safe our &#8220;foods&#8221; really are, reveal it to the public, and in turn have the gov&#8217;t forced to change and regulate the industries (especially meat and agriculture).</p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to hope the gov&#8217;t can change. You don&#8217;t think they could be influenced, to change?</p>
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