Eating Triple the RDA of Cholesterol for Years on End: Total Cholesterol Measures 202

I find this pretty amusing. In fact I find this hysterical. I eat, and have eaten for multiple years now, in the realm of TRIPLE the RDA on a weekly basis of dietary cholesterol (and probably quadruple the amount of saturated fat). This comes from a few dozen eggs per week, fatty meat, and copious amounts of milk fat from sour cream, butter, heavy cream, half/half, whole milk, full fat yogurt and cheese, etc.

And by copious, I mean I am the guy who went to Whole Foods for 2 weeks straight in  Los Angeles, and every single morning got the same thing: a pound of bacon and a pint of half and half. (Yes, I drink half and half straight if its high quality, largely thanks to T21C photographer Jolly).

Yet, according to a recent blood test, my total fasted cholesterol level is a whopping 202 — basically fine by conventional standards. And this is discounting whatever the specific levels are, which I am going to take a WAG and say are probably even better by conventional standards, much like my hemoglobin levels, which left 65 year old Nurse Betty with a WTF face.

So what does this mean?

It means, and what else is new, government, and organizations buddy/buddy with government, are either utterly clueless in what they recommend, or outright malicious. Probably clueless in most cases.

That’s right, your federal government, with all of their billions of stolen fiat dollars, are a bunch of dumb mother fuckers, along with their “Heart” association pals handing out cupcakes and Wheat Thins to people who donate money to their organizations and “support their efforts”.

Rest assure, if you do the polar opposite of what these people advise, you will still probably meet their standards, most of which were probably created out of thin air, or on horrendously bad science, or some concoction of both.

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Even in the worst of cases (ultra pasteurized dairy, consistently “roasted and toasted” meat), dietary cholesterol and saturated fat, for most people, have very little if any negative impact on cholesterol levels.

In fact a lack of these nutrients is probably quite dangerous — “lack” probably being in the realm of the RDA for these substances.

The better question to ask however is: if my total cholesterol level were higher, would I change my eating habits?

Nope.

If it were astronomically higher?

I would simply get a more advanced test and figure out what the hell was going on — and then work to eliminate ultra-pasteurized dairy from my diet. If that didn’t solve “the problem”, there is nothing else I would change, so the numbers would get a big “oh well”, and I’d go on living my life, suckin down coconut oil, butter, dark chocolate, coffee, eggs, and meat.

— Anthony Dream Johnson

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About Anthony Dream Johnson

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43 Responses to Eating Triple the RDA of Cholesterol for Years on End: Total Cholesterol Measures 202

  1. Vartan September 6, 2011 at 12:23 pm #

    One great discovery I made recently was finding almost-raw milk at Vitamin Cottage, do they have those in Florida? Because it’s pretty great, cream top, non-homogenized, grass fed, antibiotic free, and barely pasteurized. You should check it out, it’s so delicious I’ve gone through half a gallon in less than a week.

    And I think you’re on point that even the quality of fat and cholesterol is not super important as long as it’s animal sourced. I know Sission is big on quality, but I’ve always purchased store bought crap when eating Paleo and my last blood test was excellent. I didn’t even pay attention to the cholesterol numbers though, I just looked at trigs and VLDL, both of which were excellent. I’m grateful to Taubes that I even knew to look for those numbers and ignore everything else.

    Did they give you those? Because VLDL is really the biggie, Taubes is on point when he says cholesterol numbers are worthless, altho Dr. Oz seemed to disagree.

    • Anthony Dream Johnson September 6, 2011 at 12:31 pm #

      Speaking of Dr. Oz, thanks for reminding me … =) (check the bottom of the post).

      And no, they did not provide anything other than total cholesterol, which is a vague measurement at best. Someday I’ll probably have full blood work done, in the meantime, I just don’t care that much. I am far more interested in Vitamin/mineral levels than cholesterol profile.

    • Situate September 11, 2011 at 7:09 pm #

      “but I’ve always purchased store bought crap when eating Paleo ”

      Store bought is not paleo. Paleo is hunting and gathering with your own hands.

      Don’t kid yourself.

      • MC September 11, 2011 at 8:14 pm #

        Paleo is what those who coined the name for the application of diet chose for it to be.

        Or do I have to live on South Beach to follow the South Beach diet?

  2. Luke September 6, 2011 at 12:32 pm #

    “Yet, according to a recent blood test, my total fasted cholesterol level is a whopping 202 — basically fine by conventional standards.”

    Aren’t conventional standards to have less than 200 mg/dL?

    • Anthony Dream Johnson September 6, 2011 at 12:36 pm #

      Yes, but I don’t think even the most brain washed of MDs would think anything of 202, or 201, or 200, or 199. Especially considering the fact that I am an obviously, robustly healthy young male.

  3. Vartan September 6, 2011 at 12:57 pm #

    The conventional standards are pretty non-sensical though, for instance my numbers were pretty low, around 165 I think, but my HDL was actually kind of low for my own liking. I would guess that yours is so high because you have good cholesterol through the roof.

    Once again though, people often overlook the most important numbers either because they are harder to get or because doctors are clueless. Meades makes a very convincing argument that above even LDL or Trig numbers, *fasting glucose* is the best indicator of your heart disease risks. That’s why that’s the number I always pay attention to when getting blood drawn.

    • Anthony Dream Johnson September 6, 2011 at 1:27 pm #

      Per the off hand comment in the main post, I am guessing the same thing about HDL. If and when I get more blood work done I will keep FG in mind.

  4. MAS September 6, 2011 at 1:18 pm #

    Did you see the 2 part post on Perfect Health Diet about cholesterol protecting one from infectious diseases?

    http://perfecthealthdiet.com/?p=3836
    http://perfecthealthdiet.com/?p=4066

    “Minimum mortality is found in countries with average cholesterol between 200 and 240 mg/dl. Mortality rises sharply as cholesterol levels fall below 200 mg/dl.”

    “Infectious disease mortality approaches zero where TC averages between 215 and 245 mg/dl. It rises very sharply as TC falls. “

  5. Omega-6 September 6, 2011 at 6:26 pm #

    Do you ever worry about arachidonic(sp?) acid though? This is my only “beef” with eating huge amounts of certain products.

  6. ben sima September 6, 2011 at 9:34 pm #

    WINNING. Last time I got mine checked it (maybe 2 years ago when I was first getting into paleo) was around that ~200. I’ve been experimenting w/ IF lately and will donate blood fasted on Thurs. Can’t wait to see the nurses face after i donate fasted and *don’t* pass out like a wuss.

  7. Situate September 10, 2011 at 6:39 pm #

    I could’ve sworn I read a line in this piece saying something about vegetarians saying a vegetarian diet is the healthiest. Hmm… maybe another blog. But its on topic so I’ll give my 2 pence.

    I’m a vegetarian but NOT for health reasons. Neither veg nor non-veg diet is an indicator of health or lack thereof.

    What happens when people become vegetarians or vegans, or paleos/primals from a formally vegan/vegetarian diet is that in the transition they also often give up eating much of the PROCESSED foods that they ate previously. What this does is eliminate TOXINS from their diet and that is what gives them the initial energy, high and “healthier” feeling.

    After the beginning period of the diet switch (anywhere from 6 months – 2 years), the body gets used to the diet, a plateau is reached and the person begins to not feel quite as energetic and healthy as he did previously.

    This is when he needs to re-look at his current diet and see what other toxins are in it, besides the chips, soda, gmo soybean oil, etc that was in his previous diet, eliminate these toxins (which he most likely did not think were toxins since he gave up the soda, chips, etc), and see what vitamins, minerals and micro-nutrients are missing from his diet or are present in only trace amounts, and add them.

    I’ve known vegetarians who eat regularly at MacDonalds. They order Big Macs without the meat! They like the bun, the sauce (which gives every burger its flavor), the cheese, the tomatoe, etc.

    Is this healthy and non-toxic? Of course not!

    Therefore vegetarians who eat highly processed foods and gentically modified organisms (which MOST processed food in the US contains due to the base of most of our processed foods being comprised of corn and soy) are NOT going to be healthy.

    Moreover, many vegetarians and vegans eat way too many carbs like rice, pasta, bread, etc.

    Whether one is vegan or a meat-eater, if they are eating a lot of processed food, they will not be healthy. That is why we see in vegetarian cultures, the wealthier people are fat, out of shape and suffering from various diet-related illnesses while the poorer people, also eating a vegetarian diet, are in shape, strong and much healthier because they cannot afford to purchase the imported processed and packaged foods from the West. They eat fresh, locally grown vegetables and much less carbs like rice and wheat than their wealthier neighbors.

    A healthy diet is one that is primarly comprised of non-processed, in season, fresh and organic foods and which allows one to get a healthy balance of fats, protein, vitamins, minerals and micro-nutrients.

    I eat mostly what I grow myself right now (or what my friends grow and I trade for) and I’ve never been healthier.

    The rest of my diet is comprised of marine-phyto-planktons for the micronutrients not available in what I grow.

    • Anthony Dream Johnson September 10, 2011 at 7:06 pm #

      If you have internet access, which apparently you do, there is no such thing as a valid reason to exclude animals and products produced from animals, from your diet. You’re either stupid, or misinformed. I’m betting misinformed because you write clearly.

      • Situate September 10, 2011 at 7:33 pm #

        I have no logical reason to eat animals. It would not add anything beneficial to my personal life or health.

        And I’m not a vegetarian for health reasons either.

        I’m a vegetarian for personal reasons, which have nothing to do with outside information or lack thereof.

    • MC September 10, 2011 at 7:40 pm #

      “They eat fresh, locally grown vegetables and much less carbs like rice and wheat than their wealthier neighbors.”

      You do realize that carbs like rice and wheat are the cheapest calories you can probably purchase in any store? The poorest people generally tend to eat a ton of carbs, and many studies report that poorer populations have higher rates of diabetes, and obesity then those that are wealthier.

      • Situate September 10, 2011 at 7:47 pm #

        MC, yes in the USA that’s all true. I was specifically thinking about the areas of Asia that I’ve travelled through when I was writing.

        In the West one can be poor and obese. You don’t see that in the parts of Asia I’ve stayed in.

        • MC September 10, 2011 at 8:14 pm #

          When I stayed in India, I lived on a farm for about 2 months. I pretty much had little to no access to sugar, except they sometimes add some sugar into their tea, but I wasn’t much of a tea drinker. I lost about 15 pounds during my stay there, not that it was all fat, I’m sure some was probably muscle.(this was before I ever adopted a paleo diet, and was overweight)

          The thing was, the relatives I stayed with were not gluttonous or wealthy by American standards, but many of the adults were overweight, some even obese. Their meals were usually; roti, lentils with herbs and spices, veggies, yogurt, and water. They ate no packaged, and processed junk food.

          Their diets would be considered “healthy” in America, yet many of them became overweight, usually in their thirties. India I believe also has one of the highest rates of diabetes, and is a largely vegetarian population, even those that eat meat their, only do so on occasion.

          Other parts of Asia may not be as bad, because on top of avoiding sugar and processed junk food, they also eat meat, and eat less wheat in favor of rice.

          • Situate September 10, 2011 at 8:58 pm #

            Interestingly enough, India is one of the places I was thinking about when I wrote my comment.

            The family you stayed with were not poor. I’m talking about the rickshaw wallas, brick carriers, domestic maids, etc – the laborers of India. They are fit and muscular because of the physical labor they do.

            Those who employ them and who are not doing physical labor are wealthier and fatter, certainly not fit. Have you noticed that despite melanin in their skin, it appears that Indians age worse than Whites unlike Africans who due to melanin and muscular structure age very well and stay younger looking longer than anyone?

            Unless one is from the labor class in India OR a Bollywood star, you can count on them looking 50 at the age of 35 (and acting closer to 70), both male and female.

            Your families diet of roti, lentils with herbs and spices, veggies, yogurt, and water, as you say, if it is anything like the diet I saw most “middle class” Indians eating in the villages and small towns, is comprised of a small variety of vegetables that are overcooked, mostly starchy veggies like potatoes.

            Raw salad is unheard of.

            They thought my veggies were “disproportionate” to the rice, dahl, roti on my plate. I’d eat 5 different raw or semi-cooked vegetables (to get a wide variety of vitamins and minerals) with just 1 roti or a half a cup of dahl and they thought it was crazy.

            Also, when they get diabetes they cut out sugar but keep eating rice!

            And on top of this – no exercise. No bike-riding, no hiking, no running, no swimming, no weightlifting, NOT EVEN YOGA!

            No wonder they are so out of shape, unhealthy, and age so badly.

            Adding meat is not going to help these people.

            • MC September 10, 2011 at 10:00 pm #

              The people I lived with were farmers. They didn’t hire any helpers. They cleaned their own houses, and spent most of their days out in the sun. They were picking up cow shit to use as fuel for when they cook their food, and wouldn’t even have had a toilet had we not got one built for them.

              And although I mentioned that some were overweight, they certainly weren’t lacking physical strength. The men were much stronger physically then the majority of men I’ve ever seen in the West. They didn’t get that way by having servants and maids cater to them.

              The people I stayed with weren’t lacking musculature, they just had plenty of fat atop that muscle.

              “Adding meat is not going to help these people.”

              And you think running and bike riding is? Losing weight is a hormonal concern, if you’re going to fix a weight problem then the hormone insulin, the fat storing hormone is what you need to look at.

              Carbs like sugar, and wheat spike insulin. If these people were to add meat to their diet, they would naturally cut back on fattening carbs, in favor of other macro-nutrients.

              They’d probably be less malnourished as well with more meat in their diet. The rickshaw wallas, brick carriers, and domestic maids you mentioned as being “fit and muscular” might be that through physical labor, but if they aren’t as overweight as the farmers then I’d suspect it’s for the same reasons an anorexic might be thin. It has little to nothing to do with more physical activity.

              • Situate September 10, 2011 at 10:23 pm #

                The laborers are fit because of the physical exercise which builds muscle and their good eating habits, despite (because of?) being poor.

                With regards to the farmers you were with, that’s interesting that despite being physically active, they were still fat, fat deposited on top of muscle, as you said.

                I’m picturing the “dahl belly” where the rest of the body is normal size but the stomach is a huge gut. I’ve seen many South Asians like that and I think its probably a genetic trait.

                South Asians eat too many carbs. That is a fact. And it has nothing to do with the vegetarian diet as I said, when I travelled throughout South Asia, despite LOVING THEIR FOOD (I cook Indian at home but most often do raw, un-cooked versions of their curries and dahls), it got to the point where it was just too much and I had to go to the markets myself and buy up all the green leafy vegetables I could find and make some big nice colorful salads with beets, carrots, peppers, all the veggies I could get my hands on.

                In South India we were having idli for breakfast (pure carb), dosas filled with potatoes for lunch (pure carb) and dosas for dinner (again pure carb).

                They need to add A LOT more quantity vegetables to their diet and a lot more variety of them.

                I don’t see why they don’t – India is full of all kinds of vegetables.

                PS: I LOVE roti cooked on a stove that uses cow dung for fuel. Nothing wrong with it. Don’t know if thats good for the environment or not though.

                Do you have any idea if thats an ecologically sound biofuel or not?

                • Anthony Dream Johnson September 11, 2011 at 9:44 am #

                  In light of this comment, and previous ones, I suspect you eat vegetarian for ethical/environmental reasons. Is this true?

                  • Situate September 11, 2011 at 2:51 pm #

                    NO.

                • MC September 11, 2011 at 12:38 pm #

                  “I’m picturing the “dahl belly” where the rest of the body is normal size but the stomach is a huge gut. I’ve seen many South Asians like that and I think its probably a genetic trait.”

                  If by “genetic trait” you mean they were born to have fat bellies, then no. It’s a dietary trait. If they did nothing but eat steak and lard, they’re bellies would disappear.

                  “They need to add A LOT more quantity vegetables to their diet and a lot more variety of them.

                  I don’t see why they don’t – India is full of all kinds of vegetables.”

                  They’re poor, that’s why they don’t. In order to get a sufficient amount of calories eating just salads, you’d have to eat an enormous amount. Enormous amount = expensive. Wheat, rice, and beans however, contain a lot more calories for a much lower cost.

                  “Do you have any idea if thats an ecologically sound biofuel or not?”

                  Use gas or propane.

                  • Situate September 11, 2011 at 2:53 pm #

                    Nope. I’m not talking about poor people when I question why they don’t eat more veggies. I’m talking about solidly middle class and upper middle class Indians who have plenty of money to spend on food.

                    Like I said before, many of the poor Indians I lived with ate healthier than the wealthier ones.

                  • Situate September 11, 2011 at 2:59 pm #

                    “They’re poor, that’s why they don’t. In order to get a sufficient amount of calories eating just salads, you’d have to eat an enormous amount. ”

                    Who said anything about “just” eating salads?

                    Binary thinking much?

                    • MC September 11, 2011 at 3:26 pm #

                      “Who said anything about “just” eating salads?”

                      I did. Did you even read it lol

                      You mentioned they should eat more salads, and I stated, that salads aren’t calorically dense, so on a vegetarian diet the options they have left are those lacking solid nutrition, and high in carbohydrate. Their diet is mostly grains and legumes. Adding more salad isn’t going to change that because they’d have to eat a ton of them to get anywhere near the same calories and that would also mean more expensive.

                  • Situate September 11, 2011 at 3:09 pm #

                    “If they did nothing but eat steak and lard, they’re bellies would disappear.”

                    And they’d get rickets and other illnesses from a lack of vitamins, minerals and other micronutrients.

                    You seem to have an extreme “binary” either/or view on life, or at least food that Indians *should* be eating.

                    The human body needs a balance of various vitamins and nutrients found across a variety of foods.

                    Eating exclusively steak and lard and nothing else is not going to cut it.

                    Are you desi by any chance?

                    • MC September 11, 2011 at 3:52 pm #

                      Meat contains all the essential amino acids, essential fats, and out of the thirteen essential vitamins, 12 of them are in large quantities found in meat.

                      Vitamin C is the one slightly lacking.

                      I’ll take a quote from Gary Taubes’ book “Why We Get Fat” for that one;

                      “Vitamin C uses the same mechanism to get into cells (where it’s neeeded) that glucose does, so the higher our blood sugar level, the more glucose enters the cells and the less vitamin C. Insulin also inhibits what’s called the uptake of vitamin C by the kidney, which means that when we eat carbohydrates we excrete vitamin C with our urine rather than retaining it.”

                      The Inuit, as well as many hunter gatherer tribes have lived, and thrived, off a diet consisting of almost exclusively meat. Some living closer to the equator might have eaten more vegetables, but meat was the reason they were alive, not the vegetables. Before agriculture, not much else was possible, especially during winter months or the ice age.

                    • Anthony Dream Johnson September 11, 2011 at 6:09 pm #

                      Nothing like one of those god forsaken black and white “extremist” views of reality.

                      Oh wait, one problem, that’s RIGHT.

                    • Situate September 11, 2011 at 6:28 pm #

                      The Inuit adapted to their environment, one that is the exact opposite of the South Asian one.

                      South Asia for the most part is lush and primarily tropical with abundant fruit, vegetables, roots, edible leaves, plants, herbs, and nuts that grow wild.

                      Obviously the diet and the civilization that grows out of such an environment is going to be drastically different than the diet and civilization that grows out of Inuit’s environs.

                      One environment gave rise to a plethora of ancient and medieval philosophers while the other did not. That’s not a criticism of Inuit people or their culture, just a fact. Due to their environs, Inuits simpy never had nor do not now have the time or resources to pontificate “high culture” – their concern must be survival in harsh surroundings, not the nature of existence itself and art, music, dance, literature, etc reflecting that reflects such pontifications.

                      As you must be knowing, India and her people are traditional and slow to change. You are not going to get agriculturalists who’s entire socio-economic system, religions, traditions, rituals, philosophy of life, indeed their entire history and culture revolve around agricultural folklore, myths, and symbols to become ravenous meat eaters – especially exclusively exclusive.

                      So forgettaboutit.

                      What can happen is that Indians can become healthier by eating a wider variety of foods.

                      Example: all those potatoe filled dosas? Fill ’em with kale, collards, or a myriad of other nutrient dense leafy greens. Tastes better than potatoes any day and is much healthier.

                      And the people I’m talking about here – firmly middle and upper middle class, can afford plenty of vegetables besides just potatoes.

                      Stop using that crazy “refined” cooking oil and go back to using ghee or coconut oil.

                      The obese mother in laws who sit on their fat asses all day eyeing every move of their daughter in laws can get a life of their own and take up some hobbies that will get them out of the house and MOVING.

                      A dahl fan? Sprout the mung beans before cooking them, or better yet, don’t cook them at all.

                      There’s so much that middle class Indians can do to improve their health that is local, culturally in tune and not “phoren imported”.

                      The poor in a few areas that I knew were healthy – younger (looking) hotter, tighter, musculerer, more vibrant and alive. And they were eating the less refrained wheat and other grains and more vegetables (believe it or not).

                      Their coarser food and laborious lifestyles gave them more health. At least at that stage, who knows though – they may die earlier than their lazy obese middle class counterparts.

                      I have a multi-pronged plan for a healthier, younger, hotter, tighter, sexier India but won’t derail this blog with that.

                    • Situate September 11, 2011 at 6:58 pm #

                      “Nothing like one of those god forsaken black and white “extremist” views of reality.

                      Oh wait, one problem, that’s RIGHT.”

                      Nope, in this case its wrong.

            • Anthony Dream Johnson September 11, 2011 at 9:35 am #

              Yoga, bike riding, running, and swimming are not exercise. They are physical activities with varying degrees of exercise effect.

              • Situate September 11, 2011 at 2:57 pm #

                Dude, we’re talking about India here where there is almost no fitness culture.

                You really think they’re going to buy that new contraption you’re pimping on your blog so that your friend can make money and they can get “buff”?

                Running, biking, yoga, are easily available forms of rigourous exercise they can do practically in their own environments for the benefit of their health.

                • Anthony Dream Johnson September 11, 2011 at 6:10 pm #

                  Not having access to state of the art equipment does not change the nature of exercise and the principles we derive there of.

                  • Situate September 11, 2011 at 6:35 pm #

                    Right, and regular swimming, hiking, biking, yoga etc is very good for health.

                    And your point is????

                    You seem to like to argue over inconsequential matters. Why is that?

              • Situate September 11, 2011 at 7:27 pm #

                Not according to James Steel,

                Exercise is…
                “a deliberately directed activity which produces a beneficial chronic physiological adaptation to increase fitness and also health whilst presenting minimal risk to health in the process”

                I’m not talking about biking as a means to get to work because one does not have a car. I’m talking about biking as a deliberately directed activity with the expressed purpose of increased fitness and health.

                Same with the swimming, yoga, running, weightlifting, etc.

                Sure, these things can be done as a means of transportation to and from a destination, or as a means of recreation/sport or even as means of relaxation/unwinding at the end of a busy work day.

                But in the context of Indian people (which is where the conversation headed in the exchange between MC and I), I am specifically talking about deliberate, planned and ongoing exercise.

                Its what is desperately needed in the Indian middle-upper middle class demographic as they have virutally no fitness culture and their health is suffering because of it.

  8. MC September 11, 2011 at 7:52 pm #

    “Obviously the diet and the civilization that grows out of such an environment is going to be drastically different than the diet and civilization that grows out of Inuit’s environs.

    One environment gave rise to a plethora of ancient and medieval philosophers while the other did not. That’s not a criticism of Inuit people or their culture, just a fact.”

    Those recorded philosophers, artists, and musicians didn’t exist 12,000 years ago. The Indians that existed 12,000 years ago weren’t farming, they didn’t have large markets for anything, or write literature. There were not anywhere near the same amount of fruits and vegetables available, because no one was cultivating and producing mass quantities of it. Their lives of hunting and gathering were far more similar to those of the Inuit, then how they are now, after the rise of agriculture.

    Humans have been evolving for millions of years, and they evolved because they ate meat. Meat and to a significant extent, cooking, is what separates the men from the chimpanzees, the gorillas, or whatever other primates exist out there. So to eat a diet where most of your calories come from meat, is to eat as a human should.

    “As you must be knowing, India and her people are traditional and slow to change. You are not going to get agriculturalists who’s entire socio-economic system, religions, traditions, rituals, philosophy of life, indeed their entire history and culture revolve around agricultural folklore, myths, and symbols to become ravenous meat eaters – especially exclusively exclusive.

    So forgettaboutit.”

    I didn’t really care before for their irrationality, until I began to see how negatively their beliefs can affect those looking to better themselves. An example would be of the 16 year old in school who discovers a mostly meat diet as best for optimal health. If this 16 year old is Indian, and his parents are of a traditional mindset, he will be restricted from eating beef and pork. If he was baptized in a certain religion, specifically at a young age before he’s making his own decisions, he will be restricted from eating meat for the rest of his life. But even if he isn’t baptized, he won’t be allowed meat and eggs on Sundays and Tuesdays for more religious reasons.

    I don’t care if I change their culture. That’s not one of my goals. My goal is to get the fuck out of dodge.

    • Situate September 11, 2011 at 10:57 pm #

      Again, the lack of intellectual rigor here is astounding. You are arguing along the lines of the old worn out “vegetarian vs non-vegetarian diet” and why that is I don’t know since nobody else here is, certainly not me.

      I am simply pointing out that in an abundant, lush land with plenty of flora and fauna the people will not have evolved to eat only animals and their lard, such as the Inuit, because they don’t have to. They have much more to choose from.

      12,000 and more years ago they would have had EVEN MORE wild life to choose from, NOT less, as almost the entire South Asia was one big wild lush abundant tropical jungle AND with much, much oh way much less than their current population of well over a billion humans.

      All that land, all that food and a small population. Nom. Nom. And nom they did!

      Never at anytime would South Asians have ONLY or primarily animals to choose from. NEVER.

      Repeat: “South Asia – warm, tropical and lush. Circumpolar region – cold, covered in ice, barren”.

      “I don’t care if I change their culture. That’s not one of my goals. My goal is to get the fuck out of dodge.”

      As it should be.

      The ones who REALLY need to get the fuck out of dodge are Desi women.

      If you think a 16 year old Indian boy has too many irrational people controlling his life, just imagine what its like for indian girls! And then they get married and have to live with their in-laws of all people!

      Dodge, indeed.

      • MC September 12, 2011 at 5:33 pm #

        If their diet was never primarily animals, they wouldn’t be human. They would not have developed their brains to the extent that was only possible with more meat in the diet. You’re assuming some garden of paradise existed there. If it did, they would have never took up agriculture to start growing more food.

        “The ones who REALLY need to get the fuck out of dodge are Desi women.

        If you think a 16 year old Indian boy has too many irrational people controlling his life, just imagine what its like for indian girls! And then they get married and have to live with their in-laws of all people!

        Dodge, indeed.”

        I think it’s just as bad a deal for the men if we’re talking arranged marriage here. They not only have to live a life of sacrifice to their parents, but now to a woman who might fuck em’ once a year. I’ve seen plenty on Indian men who got an arranged marriage. They don’t look like they’re having a grand ol’ time. Same with the women, but there are exceptions.

        • Situate September 14, 2011 at 1:54 pm #

          “They not only have to live a life of sacrifice to their parents, but now to a woman who might fuck em’ once a year. ”

          Bwahahaha! This says more about YOU (and Indian men in general) then it does about Indian women.

          Have you EVER heard of a Black woman who “might fuck her man once a year”?

          Uh, no. Black men know how to lay pipe and they’ve got plenty of pipe to lay.

          Indian men are duds in the sack. Not only do they ejaculate prematurely but they have a cunninglingus phobia. That’s why once they get to the UK, US, Canada or Australia Indian women are on the prowl for anything but an Indian man.

          Some advice for ya, bro: read “She Comes First” and “The Multi Orgasmic Man”. Take a One Taste course. Watch some tantric sex DVDs and learn how to make a woman come and come again.

          • MC September 14, 2011 at 6:42 pm #

            “Bwahahaha! This says more about YOU (and Indian men in general) then it does about Indian women.”

            I’m talking about arranged marriage couples, not Indian men and women born in the west. If a woman was only fucking me once a year I would know that it would only be one of two problems. 1. She isn’t into me 2. I’m not giving her orgasms.

            All I meant was, you implied it was a shitty deal for Indian women to get an arranged marriage, and I said it was just as bad a deal for Indian men. Why? Because if the girl’s not really into the man, then he isn’t going to get much sex, yet he’ll still have to look after her. It’s a lose, lose. If it’s bad for the girl, it’s can’t be good for the man.

            “Have you EVER heard of a Black woman who “might fuck her man once a year”?”

            Please tell me more of this elusive black woman of which I have never fucked or been in a relationship with.

            “Uh, no. Black men know how to lay pipe and they’ve got plenty of pipe to lay.”

            Are you black, or did you just believe everything the black guy told you?

            “Indian men are duds in the sack. Not only do they ejaculate prematurely but they have a cunninglingus phobia.”

            And all this time I thought I was Indian. Nope, turns out because of my fondness for going downtown on girl brown, I’m actually a Mexican. I’m a quarter Ukrainian, so that probably explains why I’m not ejaculating prematurely. Love the science Situate, I’m learning more about myself everyday talking to you. *thumbs up*

            “Some advice for ya, bro: read “She Comes First” and “The Multi Orgasmic Man”. Take a One Taste course. Watch some tantric sex DVDs and learn how to make a woman come and come again.”

            “The Multi Orgasmic Man” I’ve read parts of, but “She Comes First” sounds like it wasn’t written by someone who is great in bed. I’ve come across material that’s probably better then a generic tantric sex DVD, but I don’t think I’d be doing any girls a favor by steering you towards it.

  9. Chris Wiseman. August 28, 2014 at 11:15 am #

    Oh well is the kind of reply I make to your indifferent attitude to high cholesterol. It echoes the rants of those who have smoked 20 cigs a day for 40 years and havent contracted cancer yet.
    Come on, you should know, as even those with sparse knowledge that the human body is incredibly complex and just because it cant always be explained why some people consume huge quantities of certain foods or engage in habits such as smoking are apparently fine, if only for the time being.
    Excess cholesterol does build a ‘plaque’ in the arteries with the potential for some of the serious and life threatening conditions that follow that. In the present day we take the ‘cholesterol blood test’ to give us an idea of the overall condition of the blood for cholesterol which in itself the meds know is far from conclusive. However the breakdown info,.though again far from conclusive is still more accurate because it will give some extra info of your organ status such as the bilirubin reading on how your liver is doing for example. The entire medical authorites in UK, europe and states know very well people are quite literally dropping dead whereupon the plaque levels in the post mortem/ortopsy show very high, but most often because of other complications existing at the time, the certificate will not read cholesterol as cause of death. It falls to the individual not to be silly about their health and take note of recommended levels but with no ‘panic’ but simply to make informed choices on foods. Eggs for example are high in cholesterol but they also provide a number of good vits etc so cutting out eggs altogether would be over reaction. Physical activity of course plays a very major part with all the foods we eat and only allowing a little lea way should not be more than 21 BMI yet I am quite certain 75% of people in UK, US, Mexico for example are well over that, their bodies can never operate anywhere near optimum efficiency where ‘burning fuel ‘(food) for energy is concerned.

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